Reckoning With Israel’s ‘One-State Reality’
Descripción del Episodio
For decades, most discussions of Israel and Palestine were framed around the eventual creation of a two-state solution. That effort has been dead for years. What has emerged in its place is what the political scientists Marc Lynch and Shibley Telhami call the “one-state reality.” Their book on this — edited with Michael Barnett and Nathan Brown — came out before Oct. 7, 2023.
Since Oct. 7, that reality has become further entrenched: There’s been a record pace of settlement construction in the West Bank. Israel now occupies more than half the territory of Gaza. And Israel’s push into Lebanon has displaced more than a million people.
So what does it mean to reckon with Israel’s one-state reality — to see the facts on the ground rather than the frames of the past?
Shibley Telhami is the Anwar Sadat professor for peace and development at the University of Maryland, College Park. Marc Lynch is the director of the Project on Middle East Political Science at George Washington University. Lynch is the author, most recently, of “America’s Middle East: The Ruination of a Region.”
Mentioned:
“Israel’s One-State Reality” by Michael Barnett, Nathan Brown, Marc Lynch, and Shibley Telhami
The One State Reality by Michael Barnett, Nathan J. Brown, Marc Lynch and Shibley Telhami
Israel’s Religiously Divided Society, Pew Research Center
Summary of a Year of Terror, Expulsion, and Annexation — 2025 in the Settlements, Peace Now
Book Recommendations:
Justice for Some by Noura Erakat
Wars of Ambition by Afshon Ostovar
The Second Emancipation by Howard W. French
Mayors in the Middle by Diana B. Greenwald
Israel by Omer Bartov
Tomorrow Is Yesterday by Hussein Agha and Robert Malley
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